#4-007: Your Cosmic Trip: Saturn in Pisces with Barb Horn

Ready to discover the magic in your stars? 🌟

In this episode, Barb Horn, a voice coach, alchemical hypnotist, and scientist, shares her journey from the sciences to astrology. 

Astrology is not about predicting your future—it’s about empowering you to make the most of it! 

She explains how astrology offers a deep connection to the cosmos and ourselves, especially for women seeking personal growth and healing. 

If you’re a woman over 55, you're likely navigating transformative life stages, and Barb's insights into Saturn's cycles and the astrological shifts can provide powerful guidance.

Saturn, the "taskmaster" planet, symbolizes growth, maturity, and discipline. It challenges us to confront our shadows and align with our soul's purpose. 

Saturn in Pisces invites spirituality, emotional depth, and the integration of intuition in our daily lives. 

For women in the queenly stage of life, this period of personal evolution may spark questions about your legacy, self-actualization, and alignment with your true calling. 

Barb says embrace the changes Saturn brings because it’s helping you to evolve..

Her message is clear: astrology is a tool for understanding our place in the universe, and using it can lead to profound personal transformation.

 By tuning into the cosmic energies around us, we can grow into the leaders we’re meant to be.

So grab a cup of tea, cozy up, and let's dive into the magical world of the stars together. Your celestial adventure awaits! ✨

Barb’s Bio

Barb Horn has been intrigued with self-discovery and transformation since birth. Her passion is coaching women to overcome invisibility, insecurity and perfectionism to live as a confident, authentic, powerful and imperfectly brilliant woman. 

She also coaches women through transition, to transform money stories into increase wealth, to connect with their soul purpose, and resolve relationship issues. She uses astrology, art therapy, hypnosis, levity and tons of love. 

She is a certified coach, hypnotherapist, SoulCollage Facilitator, and author. You can follow her blog here that provides provocative perspectives, power pivots and points to ponder, or other offerings. She is currently offering a special discovery breakthrough clarity session to support women during this evolutionary shift, sign up here.

Transcript

[00:00:00] Hey, gorgeous Aminata here and I had to come on this week to re-broadcast my conversation with Barb Horn about astrology and particularly Saturn in Pisces. Saturn is about to leave Pisces in a couple of weeks, sweetheart. So you need to get on it and get in it to figure out what it is that you need to draw, what lessons, what inspirations, what fortitude you have built up from the experience of Saturn being in Pisces.

And if you had your Saturn in return in this period, which I did, believe me, you have some lessons and some receipts. See you on the other side.

All right. Barb Horn. Welcome to the Mother Tree Community, the Mother Tree Network. Hello. How are you? Thank you. Thank you. Good to be here . It is so good to see you. So Barb, I know that you are an amazing voice coach [00:01:00] and that you are an alchemical hypnotist and a so collage facilitator and a scientist, someone who's worked for Colorado Department of Water and Wildlife for three decades.

So you are a woman who's like branching the sciences and the arts. But do people know that you are also a student of the skies and astrology? That's what we're gonna talk about today. First of all, if you could just tell us briefly, like what made you even wanna think about astrology, especially 'cause you're a scientist and usually scientists are a little bit skeptical of something like astrology.

Yeah, and one of the things I learned as a scientist was that I. That we think we know 110% of what we're learning when we actually maybe know about a 10th of the percent. So there's a lot of different levels of science, and there's science that's more [00:02:00] abstract. Quantum physics, for example. And I always was fascinated, of course with the sky and the stars.

It's hard not to be when you go out there and look at all the lights, and I have a great sky view myself at night here. Is that because. I was gonna say, is that because you live in New Mexico, so maybe you get a sky. I do live in the southwest corner of Colorado. Close to New Mexico.

And we do have dark skies. Growing up I, I also was just fascinated with, I'm fascinated with energy and human behavior and the connection to why we do what we do, like the psychology and the psyche. And of course, if you start to be curious about why we're here. Why we do what we do. You inev inevitably come across these energies in the sky and how they work and learn us and are there for us.

And so it's in my own personal life birth chart to be a student of the skies. But I. Everything in my chart says, be a teacher, be [00:03:00] a student of at astrology, be a healer, but you're not gonna do it in any traditional way. So it was on my path of self-discovery and self-learning and self-love and under trying to understand relationships and my own growth, my own dark nights, if you will, that I became a student of wanting to use astrology to learn more about who I am and why I'm here, and why you're here, and why we're all together and what we're here to do.

And it's, so as you're speaking, Barb the sun just broke through the clouds where I'm staying. It's just a beautiful reminder. You know what, we are on a planet and we live, we are in space. And it's just such a weird thing. 'cause we don't think of ourselves that way, but we are in space.

I wonder, speaking of planets, can you just give us a very basic understanding of how planets relate to astrology? Yeah. [00:04:00] So it's, here's a real simple way for the mother tree network to connect. It's easy and tangible for us to realize that we're the same. Our bodies are the same material as the soil and the plants and the animals that are around us, but we're also made of the same material as planets and stars and the cosmos.

So we really are connected vertically and horizontally to everybody and everything. It's just so tan intangible, and we've spent a long time being disconnected from our relationship and the energy that is between us and the sky. Yep. So when you say vertically connected, you mean We're connected with the stars above us.

Yeah, so think of you. Is that what you meant by you say, we're vertically. You are the life force between heaven and Earth. And if you stand there and think about your roots going down into earth. [00:05:00] Your energy and your chalk, your energy system moving up and out beyond your head into the heavens, that's your connection, like a tree branching up and out, and your leaves are now in the cosmos and can reach up up into, depending on what your beliefs are, there's no right or wrong here.

Way up into the heavens where your guides are, your angels are where your loved ones have transitioned. Where you came from. And arranged for your soul contract or your life agreement or the reason you're here, whatever your language is for that. It comes down into this body, this density, and then you live horizontally in relationship with plants and animals and others.

And so we are this vertical and horizontal, energetic being, which I like to think the nexus of all of that is everything is moving through our hearts. Does that help? Yes, that is. That's beautiful. That is beautiful. That just really helped me understand [00:06:00] It gave me the picture. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay, so you were talking about your approach to astrology. Just say a little bit more about that. So given that you understand who we are as vertical and horizontal, how does astrology help us? So it, there's cycles, meta cycles and cycles. The planets, all the planets, Pluto, Mars, Jupiter, are cycling in their own orbits.

And we like to think they're circular and oval, but they're really not, but they're doing their own thing. Evolutionary Earth is doing its own thing. It takes a year to go around the sun. And as it goes around the sun, it goes through all the zodiac signs. So it's moving around, Leo Aries per, once it you actually have a birthday once a year as that cycle goes around, mercury goes around the sun three times a year, every 88 days.

And if you go out to the far end of the cosmos, Pluto takes 248 years human years to make that cycle through all the zodiac signs. And so as all these planets are [00:07:00] moving, they have these. Very specific. We call 'em archetypal patterns, but very simple energies that are out, sent out into the grid if you will, of co-creation that we're part of.

So they're these cycles. And then you were saying these planets each have energies that are co-creating with us. Correct. Here on earth through the zodiac signs. And so that's going on out there. And think about now, when you were born. When you were born, there was this specific snapshot of the sky. And that's your sun sign, your moon sign, your rising sign. For those of you that know that stuff, but you actually have this developmental cycle you go through of these 12 different houses of your identity your self-worth, your partners, your career these, this developmental cycle that you go through your entire life.

And there's a zodiac sign that's ruling each one of those houses for you. So you are not just [00:08:00] your sun sign or just your moon sign or rising sign, you're all of the zodiac signs. So here you are mirroring the cosmos and you are in a unique individual. You no one will have the same planetary alignment when you were born.

Aminata for another. 4,000,800 years.

And that's why when you hear, and I just want our listeners Yeah, I just want our listeners to, to just keep remembering that we are working vertically and horizontally. Yeah. Just let's keep that image in mind 'cause I think that's really critical. So we're saying we're getting all this energy information patterns that we're co-creating with.

And I'm gonna give you a real specific example. This sort of sets the stage 'cause we're gonna work through how Saturn does its work. So here you are sitting here with your own unique sole contract agreement, life purpose, your own way of expressing through. Through [00:09:00] Leo and through Pisces, through your sunshine navigating your world.

This horizontal Saturn's out there doing his orbit and his thing, and he just moved from Aquarius into Pisces. What does that mean? There's the astronomy of it, which is what I just said. But then what does that mean energetically? To understand what those are, we have to understand the archetype or the patterns of Pisces, which we're gonna talk about in a minute.

And it's a, it's amazing to be born. If you think about these cycles. So if it takes Pluto 248 years to move signs, what are the odds that you and I would be alive for 50, 80 years in that timeframe? And we are. So here we are in 2023. Yep. And you're saying we're in this moment where Pluto, which has this 240 plus year cycle is moving, and what are the chances of that?

So that's pretty exciting. That's a new thing. But you also said you wanted [00:10:00] to get more, maybe more specific about on a personal level. I bet you a lot of people have heard about Saturn maybe with some trepidation. So Saturn is male in, in the astrology, and we often call him, he's like the task massacre.

He's the father energy. So these what I mean by archetypal energies. When I say these words they're universe. Saturn just simply wants us to mature, wants us to grow up. Mature, that tough love, and that's what it presents us in our lessons, if you will, to grow up in every way, physically, spiritually, emotionally, mystically, cosmically, it's like a soul's growth, not, it is like going from kindergarten to first grade, like you can't skip.

You can't go to college and have not gone to kindergarten, you can't skip your lessons. So Saturn wants us to mature to grow up, and he gets a bad rap because. It's the hard work [00:11:00] of growing up. Think about the kid who wants to play and doesn't wanna do his chores or her chores or, the person who wants to be the Olympic athlete but doesn't really wanna put in the time and the practice, right?

That's Saturn right there. He wants us to do. Saturn is like time and practice. Here's Saturn words. When you hear someone talking about hard work, discipline, commitment. Patience, obligations, responsibility, accountability. Those are all in the realm of Saturn in our vertical relationship with the cosmos.

And he rules time because he knows our life here and our incar our incarnation is short, relatively speaking, and he wants us to do what we came here to do as souls. He wants us to mature. Oh, to stay on track. Stay on track. He's not a trickster, he's not a punisher. We all have periods of time in our, we don't wanna, we just don't wanna do the work.

We're lazy. So we will be triggered in [00:12:00] our life when we're off track. How does that show up? We're, when we're being lazy, we're ignoring the signs that are saying, move in this direction. Get out of that relationship. When we're distracted. We're scattered, we're asleep, we're avoiding, we're ignoring, Saturn's gonna knock on our door.

And particularly when then it's transiting like a personal trainer. Like I, exactly. I love that. 'cause a personal trainer is somebody who you work with to help you reach your goal. And what Yep, they do is they stay with you by, you do your repetitions, did you do three sets? So you gotta do three sets, not two.

So That's right. You can't shortcut. It's methodical. It's. Okay. No shortcuts. No shortcut. I get it. And so Saturn also, because it's wanting us to, our soul came here to do something. It's never done before in any other life or incarnations and whatever your beliefs are.

So we work hard in our human wiring to stay comfortable and stay the same. We've [00:13:00] arrived and I'm gonna explain to you that Saturn matures us here, which will help you. So Saturn's always bringing up in us energetically this tension between the old. The new, you got comfortable, you learn this.

Okay, so you learn that rep. Now let's challenge your body in a new way using the personal trainer. Let's challenge it to reach another peak. In, in a direction that's gonna require more work and walk our change. And we. Inherently are wired to not wanna change. We're wired to wanna stay the same.

So there's always this tension. Another reason Saturn gets a bad rep between the old and the new. But let's just see how Saturn works in your own life. How does it mature you? So if it takes 28 years to go around through all the signs, that means in our zero years to 28 years old, it takes 28 years for Saturn to go from where it started in your own birth chart, back to that same start point.

And that's how. That's your, when you're about 28, 29 years old [00:14:00] and what happens. If you were to map out those of you on this call here, if you were to map out, just pick out key watershed moments in your life that were transformative that changed you in some way, positive, negative, both the whole thing, they're gonna correspond to these timeframes. Not all of them, but many of them. So you can think about where you were when you were 28, 29 years old, and you're getting triggered. To you were supposed to mature, you were supposed to be an adult, by 28, what does that mean?

Financially, spiritually, maturity. And so you're gonna have triggers, if you will, or Saturn's gonna show you where you still need to man up, if you will. You need, still need to do that. Discipline. What have you forgotten? It could be in your financial life, your next level up. It could be in your financial life, your relationship life, your emotional life, how you treat yourself.

It's all these different vectors, depending on your own chart, but you're gonna get those sort of crises.

When I was born, [00:15:00] Saturn was in Pisces. Yeah. So when I was born, so now here we are. Saturn is back in Pisces. For only the second time in my lifetime. You're having your second because it takes 28 years to go around. So now I'm having second Saturn return and I'll explain that's where it was going next, right?

And there's plenty of us out here. There's plenty of us out here. It's not like a unique birthday that has me have Saturn. Pisces. Nope. There's a whole tribe of us, right? Who were born in the sixties. I was born in 66 in a particular period. I don't know. So I think you should check your chart, because maybe this is your Saturn return too.

If you're a beautiful queenly woman in her late fifties, okay, moving on. And for you it's Pisces, but for every, you can have a Saturn return that's not in Pisces. It's just you're gonna be double whammy. Because Saturn is exactly right, because that's what I mean. Everybody's getting Saturn, Pisces, but those of us who were born with [00:16:00] Saturn and Pisces, correct.

It's even more significant. Correct. Okay, so tell us what we have to look forward to. That's right. So again, you could think about when you were 28, 29. Often that is when you move out of the house, you might get married, you have your first kid. So there's all these things happening at that phase in your life.

Then another 28 years go by and you're now 58, 56, 60, you're gonna have a second Saturn return. Those are the mediums you're working through. But then you kinda look, this is where often where people have the mid-life crisis and they, the big question at the Saturn return is, am I really self-actualizing.

Am I really moving towards my destiny? What I came here? Is my life really full? Am I really doing what I am here to do? Or did I just spend a whole career doing something and now I retired and I'm feeling empty. I don't know who I am. You can think of all the questions that we ask at this phase in our life when often our [00:17:00] children leave, we retire.

We might get laid off. So the bit you're, yeah, I got you. Yeah. Land it. It's big questions. Yep. And, but when Saters and Pisces is a particular flavor to the questions there is, but this is in gen. What I'm saying now is just how's patterns working you, period. It's general. Yeah.

And then we're gonna talk about what it means in there, and you'll get that flavor and people can apply that to their own life. If you're so fortunate. Yeah. To live another 28 years into your late eighties, you would have a third Saturn review. Or return. Where now you're the wise, elder and you're re maybe not wise, but you're an elder and you do this sort of reflection over your life.

What regrets do I have? What's my legacy? What amends do I need to make? It's this conscious eldering, if you are connected vertically to living and gracefully channeling grace to gracefully age and be that wise elder. And again, things are [00:18:00] gonna be happening in your life that will trigger these kind of questions for you.

So that's how Saturn matures you. Okay, so now let's talk about, yep. Saturn and Aquarius and Saturn and Pisces. And you can see this grid of co-creation that we're always in. Saturn moved from Aquarius on March 20, March 7th, and it will be here. I didn't write down the date till 2026. So again, because this, okay, this energy is sequential.

It's good to look about where Saturn was because in, in every single cycle, however big or meta or smaller what we grow. What we learn or don't. Inform the potentiality of the next cycle. So let me give you this example. Okay. Okay. So when we're looking at, sounds good. The planet and the, so Saturn's this task mask or this father, and it's working through Aquarius.

What's Aquarius about? In a very short nutshell, [00:19:00] Aquarius energy is about living our one world connectedness, living as one. Acknowledging and living that we're all connected, we all matter. Everything that's here that gets to be here even if we don't understand it and we're not separated and divided as we think we are.

And so dur when Saturn was in Aquarius, which was from, think about this, December 17th, 2020 to March 7th, 2023. I don't need to say a whole lot. What happened basically the last three years? So here's Saturn. Moving through this. Hey, Aquarius says, you're one con, you're all connected. Wait a minute, you're not living that way.

Let me show you how you're not living that way. Let me through your own work here, let's have a pandemic that doesn't care about what country you're in, what age you are, what race you are, what gender you are. Let's just give you something that shows you're all [00:20:00] connected and ask you. To look at it now in a different way than you have for the last 2000 years basically.

Now, we didn't succeed, we did grow, we did awaken, but we didn't, come to this one world consciousness. And that's that larger meta cycle in the era of moving to the age of Pisces that every. Everything cycle every Mercury retrograde, everything is serving that larger movement towards Aquarian qualities being the dominant forces, if you will, energies that are recreating all of our values, beliefs, structures and systems, which is what makes the future very exciting.

. Okay, so we're gonna move into Saturn. Into Pisces. Now okay. Again, a lot of archetypes. So the symbol for Pisces is two fish.

So like Saturn who faces the personal earth planets and also faces the transpersonal and so is working as both [00:21:00] collect individually and socially. Pisces also has these sort of two fishes. We've spent 2000 years in the era of Pisces, cultivating the shadow and the light of the one fish. So I wanna just name some of those sort of axises, that Pisces work.

So Pisces is a water sign, so emotions, spirit, it's the mystical form, the myst form of water. Compare it to say Scorpio, which is like the back stagnant still waters in terms of its symbolization for water. So Pisces is like the particle and the wave. It's the visible and the invisible. It's the horizontal and the vertical.

It's the intentional self effort and surrendering to something greater. It's power and powerlessness. It's personal consciousness and our multidimensionality into galactic [00:22:00] consciousness, and it integrates our human heart and this higher vertical heart, or what I call our cosmic heart, but we have not developed that other fish.

We are. It's kinda like we haven't got there yet. We are really on the particle, the visible, the horizontal, the self ii, the human heart. We're here and again, so when Saturn goes into Pisces as a task master and disciplinary, it's going to ask us to do the work. To cultivate that higher vibration, that higher heart, that connection vertical to the physical.

Isn't this cool? I just get so excited. It's going to ask us to find our personal trainer, our inner power, and how it's not connected. Now we've been a, we've been in the age of Pisces. We were a, we abandoned our body. We our hearts, we abandon our emotions. We said, the head, the mind is it. So this isn't about getting rid of the mind, it's about [00:23:00] integrating these other systems that we have.

I short circuit it by saying we're being cultivated to have a thinking heart and a feeling mind. So Barb, this is so awesome and I'm wondering to bring it down to a more individual level. How would this be showing up in my individual life, Saturn and Pisces, what it's asking me to learn? Pisces, let's just one more blip on Pisces, then Pisces is going to be through Saturn, then asking you about your spirituality, your connection to divinity your ability to discern reality.

So in its shadow, because it's ruled by Neptune, this is where lies misinformation. Conspiracy theories, like the tyranny and the fear show up. So you can ask yourself, where is that showing up in me and how am I discerning. [00:24:00] We don't get to make up our reality. We don't get to cherry pick that. I want to be in this political party and I also want to be have the grid of success and money coming my way, but I don't wanna deal with the grid of, war over there.

We don't get to do that. It's all here. So you can ask yourself, you might be. Your intuition is coming online. So for some people, these upgrades are happening physically in their bodies emotionally. Their brains are foggy, be patient with yourself as you're literally upgrading.

To this sort of vertical abilities, so your intuition will be coming aligned. That's another way it might show up in your life, in your dreams, you might be hearing more like you, I menani you're amping up and helping many people talk to trees, for example. This connection. It's what's in us that's being activated in a light way, in a shadow way.

So you wanna really pay attention to how you're bringing this vertical new. Knowledge on not to stay up there in la land, but to bring it to the horizontal plane [00:25:00] to help us all evolve. So the nutshell you have, okay. So Saturn and, go ahead. Go ahead. No, so Saturn and Pisces is about, in a nutshell, activating that intuition.

Go ahead. And your cosmic ability, your two. To feel and sense other people and to bring that level of eagle's perch to now the problems, if you will of the horizontal plane. In a nutshell, if Saturn is our taskmaster and Pisces is this sort of vertical two fish, all these different paradoxes of feeling alone but not alone kind of thing.

Saturn is asking us to mature, remember to become mystical. Mature adults. So Aquarius asked us to recognize we're all connected physically, and on the, on the tangible Taurus Earth, Pisces, Saturn, Pisces is asking us to be connected through [00:26:00] our hearts. Through our energy, through the internet, through our feelings, through this intuitive mind.

It's really an amazing period that we're in bringing all these things online and you're co-creating your life and our evolution with that. . Perfect. Perfect. So thank you so much, Barb for just, kicking off our interest for adding a little more fuel to the fire.

And and if you wanna follow Barb, if you wanna know more about her, . You can also reach out to her directly at Science of [email protected]. All right, until the next time. Peace and love. Love and peace. Namaste. Thank you everybody.

That is a wrap. It has been so good to be with you today. Gorgeous. If you hear anything on this podcast that you think would help a friend or a family member, please. Pass [00:27:00] it on and leave us a review. Leave us some stars. It helps us to know what is impacting people. I'm Aminata Desert Rose Plant Walker fire woman.

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