This is a lovely conversation with a heart practice that will elevate your consciousness.
Dr. Elsbeth shows us how to move life force energy up to your heart and then your third eye so that it gets more and more refined before it becomes mind.
This will help you to shift your consciousness.
We do a special heart breathing exercise that is so simple but powerful.
I was tingling after that.
Feminine power and creativity.
Life force energy is the same as sexual energy.
The importance of feeling anger and sadness and dialoguing with yourself about where they are coming from.
Then using that information to make a choice.
You don’t have to do a spiritual bypass. You can witness these difficult feelings without becoming those feeling states and lowering your vibration.
Elsbeth Meuth, Ed.D., was born and raised in Germany and holds a doctorate in education and a master’s degree in music. Her academic career includes associate professorships at Musikhochschule Nordrhein-Westfalen in Germany and Berklee School of Music in Boston as well a research fellowship at the University of Indiana, Indianapolis. She is an ontological design coach and a certified Tantra Yoga teacher. In her previous life as a management consultant at Business Design Associates, founded by Dr. Fernando Flores, she worked with clients in the United States, Canada, and Europe.
Conversation with Elsbeth Transcript
[00:00:00] Aminata: Computer. All right. Welcome everybody. This is Amina Soul Plant Walker Firewoman, the host of the Mother Tree. Network podcast. And our special guest today is Dr. Elsbeth Meuth. Dr. Elsbeth is someone who I've known for a few years now, gosh, I think maybe seven years. And, we met at an entrepreneur's gathering, and then I got so interested in her offerings, which are all about intimacy and, reclaiming your power, your sovereignty and interconnection, all of that kinds of stuff.
[00:00:35] Aminata: So, I invited Elsbeth on. Because Michael and I just completed her couple's retreat, which was in Costa Rica this year, and I, I came from that retreat. So like awakened, there's no other word I can describe it. So many things turned on, that when Elsbeth was available, I was, and said she'd be willing to come on.
[00:00:59] Aminata: I wanna get her on right away. So welcome Elsbeth.
Elsbeth: Thank you so, so much, Aminata. I'm just thrilled to be here with you. And when your invitation came, my heart felt open and warm and so acknowledged.
Aminata: I was, people were asking me, where'd you go? Couples retreat, what was that? And I was talking about it so much Elsbeth, that I thought I should just do a testimonial.
[00:01:29] Aminata: I'm out here, you know, running my mouth about, So, but we always start, start our show Elsbeth with, with the question of what's good. So what's good for you today?
Elsbeth: Oh, what a great question. What's good for me today is, this is actually something I have been practicing. Not with this exact question, but the spirit of the question, to, because I've been really sitting with gratitude.
[00:02:02] Elsbeth: What does it mean to be grateful every day? You know, when I get into a mood, when something happens in the outer world that looks like it's against me, it feels like it. I'm not saying it's so, but. Feels over here, when I worry start worrying, when I have, you know, differences with my beloved Freddy Zental, who is my business partner and life partner.
[00:02:33] Aminata: So how can I shift quickly out of these states that. I really am dedicated to not spending much time in, you know, because it just pulls me down. So what is good today is, you know, for me being grateful for being alive. Hmm. And when I forget what to be grateful for, I turn to a simple place, which is my breath.
[00:03:06] Elsbeth: Because when I bring my awareness to my breath, I become aware of how miraculous that is, that the breath keeps me alive. Hmm. And that is really good. Hmm. Well, thank you for reminding us that. I just invite everybody who's listening, just take a deep breath.
[00:03:30] Aminata: Hmm. Yeah. Just to feel that.
[00:03:36] Aminata: So, Elsbeth fifth, one of the things that you taught us at the retreat, the couple's retreat, was this, the, the heart to heart hug. You know how you hug each person? You hug on the left side, so you're heart to heart and you hold it. It's not just a quick little hug. It's a hug. You hold, you know, for some breaths.
[00:03:56] Aminata: So, I wanted you to know that I've been doing that with my son, you know? Yeah. I have a 23 year old son. And you know, he's busy. He's always, you know, it's, I don't get a lot of time with him, but when I asked him for, I said, you got 20 seconds for me. He said, yeah. And then he was so surprised when I came over and I held him heart to heart for 20 seconds, and I counted because I'm a Virgo, and it was amazing.
[00:04:25] Aminata: At a certain point, things do start to dissolve maybe, probably at about 15 seconds. All of a sudden you feel. I don't know, shake down.
Elsbeth: Oh, I'm very touched that you do it with your son, not only with Michael, but also with your son. And it shows that this practice that is really there for us to bring our awareness to our heart, which is the love center.
[00:04:52] Elsbeth: And of course, I can only connect with another in love when I'm connected with love within. And we easily forget it when we get overwhelmed, when we get stressed. And, so you, you introduced me or said something about, you know, energy and, that this is a beautiful way of tapping into our heart energy that is pure love and it with another, you know, so for everyone, this practice, and I'm happy to share this with the group in.
[00:05:30] Elsbeth: Podcast notes a link to that practice. So each of you is listening today can actually learn how to do this practice with someone in your life, a child, a beloved, whoever a pet. That's right. Anything that is alive actually and that breathes because the breath is what we wanna focus on. And, when we con, as you said so beautifully, after a few breaths, All the chatter disappears.
[00:06:07] Aminata: And when we bring awareness, wherever we bring awareness to, that is where our n l energy follows. So when I bring my, an, awareness to my heart center and, you know, synchronize the breath with another, we become one breath. Mm-hmm. God guided through the head. It's guided through the awareness and the focus on the heart.
[00:06:33] Elsbeth: And the beauty is then that when we focus on the heart, the heart frequency, embellishes again, it just happens.
[00:06:46] Aminata: Elsbeth, you said the heart frequency embellishes. Yes. So it it meaning, it adds to that. What do you mean in what?
Elsbeth: Yeah, so, so there is a certain electromagnetic field around the heart, just there is also certain electromagnetic field around the brain. They have different frequencies and when we are not coherent in that electromagnetic field, like when I feel perpetually sad or resentful, You know that after a while is my electromagnetic field around the heart.
[00:07:27] Elsbeth: And we may not be aware of it from this, but we may feel it and others feel it. So when I drop, when I bring my awareness to my heart center, Which we do in that partner practice immediately, and I breathe in and out of the heart that electromagnetic energy gets further activated. And then the heart energy, love energy is like, speaking in herds.
[00:08:03] Aminata: It's, reverberates at 500 herds unless resentment or anger, they reverberate at a hundred hertz. No, the herds, the lower the frequency, the more debilitating in terms. Of what effect it has on our body, on our health, our emotional wellbeing, our physical health, the higher the frequency, like love or joy or bliss.
[00:08:39] Aminata: You know, that raises us up. It's very beneficial for our wellbeing on all levels. Physical, emotional, mental, and spiritual. So then doing this practice with another attunes us, when we are in that embrace, we don't wanna fight. Mm. It's totally, you know, it just doesn't feel right. You know, and we even Freddy and I, we do that practice when we may be in a fighting place because we know when we fight we cannot resolve anything yet when we come together, which may not be easy when I really have something against Freddy.
[00:09:23] Aminata: You know, when I fight with him, I feel wronged and he is wrong. You know, from that place to shift into an open heart takes really willpower. Mm-hmm. Like, you know, by volition you wanna do it because you're more committed to being connected in love than being not connected and feeling resistance and anger, cuz that's not the energy I wanna live with.
[00:09:56] Aminata: Well, I love that. I love that. And, you know, there's a, there's a couple things I, I wanna go a little further into. but, but before we get to the partners and, you know, to, conflict, I wanted to say that one of the things I appreciated about the retreat, which was a couple's retreat with everybody was coupled up, but how you.
[00:10:22] Aminata: And Freddy emphasize coming into your own individual self, your own individual body breath, you, you raising my individual vibration, you know what I mean? Before we go to partners. And the reason why I feel like this is so great is because. It. It seems like the way we're trained is to always look outside of ourselves, especially to a romantic partner, to make us feel good, elevated, energetic, comforted.
[00:10:57] Aminata: You know what I mean? And then when they're not available, then there's this resentment. So can you talk a little bit about like, not just the importance of it, but like, I don't know if you have any stories about how you do it for yourself?
Elsbeth: Yes, yes. You know, I mean, Arthur, that was a huge awakening for me in my own life.
[00:11:18] Elsbeth: When I became aware of that I am the generator of my emotions until I, I was 50 or 51. I lived my life from a place that like that someone Elsbethe, because of someone, I feel a certain. And, I went to a meditation retreat at that age because I was so dis despaired in my life and totallyexternally oriented, externally referenced.
And what I got from that meditation retreat was that I am the one who is the author of my emotions. Which was, you know, not comfortable on one hand because it's my responsibility. Then on the other hand, it was such an opening because it brought the power back to me because I am the only one who can then change how I feel now.
Of course, since then I've been doing a lot of learning and practicing because my nervous system was so used to it. To that being externally referenced, which means I need a lover in order to feel love, or I need another to acknowledge myself so that I feel I'm worth it. To coming that I can actually bring this about in myself.
[00:12:50] Elsbeth: So the breath is a beautiful way of starting to listen to myself. And of course, as you already said, if I cannot breathe with myself, I can, I breathe with another. So because these practices are not just for couples, they, as Amina says, they start with ourselves. What about if we just do a little practice?
[00:13:14] Aminata: I think that would be awesome.
Yeah. Okay. So everyone who is listening, who if you could place both of your hands on top of each other and then on your heart center in the middle of your chest between your breasts, And you wanna have your back erected. You can sit on a chair or on a sofa,
[00:13:44] Elsbeth: and then close your eyes. And when you are ready, exhale all air, emptying yourself out, and then take a deep breath in and notice how your belly fills up. And then your chest fills up. Notice how your chest opens into your hand, and on the exhalation, let the breath go again. Deep breath in the fell belly, fills up the chest, opens into the hand.
[00:14:17] Aminata: And then on the exhalation, notice how the breath trickles out of you. Deep breathing. Opening your heart into the hands, and on the exhalation, let the breath trickle down and out. Breathing into the heart, opening into the hands,
[00:14:46] Aminata: and breathing out of the heart, letting the breath go.
[00:14:53] Aminata: Breathing in love.
[00:14:58] Aminata: And letting the heart relax, continue in this breathing pattern and notice how your beautiful heart opens more and more with each breath.
[00:15:22] Aminata: And not only within you, it starts opening into the space around you.
[00:15:33] Aminata: This is you. Does this laugh? This is you being laugh. Within and all around you emanating from you into the space around you.
[00:15:54] Aminata: And while you continue with that, breathing in and out of the heart, take your hands just one inch off. Breathing in. And breathing out of the heart and to feel how your hands on extension of your heart, you may even feel some tingling in your palms, connected with love within and love all around you.
[00:16:32] Aminata: And then remove your hands. And bring them back into your lab. Continue with the breath and notice how you feel.
[00:16:53] Aminata: And then coming back by opening your eyes. And I mean, I'll tell you if you would like share a little bit. Yes. I really, I felt the tingling in my palms when I moved my hands an inch away from the chest. I definitely felt that. And, um,
[00:17:18] Aminata: I feel deeper and. Happier. I just feel ah, yeah, I feel connected to my bigger self. And you know, one of the things that I, real, since our retreat Elsbeth , I've been clarifying what I'm about. Who am I serving? Who do I wanna partner with, which, You know, when I had your husband Freddy's Intel Weaver on, he was talking about how the practices that we do that, that you lead and teach in Tantra can be used not just for, you know, sexual pleasure and sexual connecting, but also to help you connect with that which you most deeply want in the world, you know, and so, so, I had this, vision and then some clarity that what I want to do is to help other women lean into nature and listen for with nature's wisdom and compassion
[00:18:47] Aminata: and. One of the ways we do that, of course, is with our hearts. It's like we have to slow down a tune in so we're available. And so that's what's, yes. And when you said, you know, you could do it with partner or child, a pet, I was even thinking, oh, I could do it with the tree outside my, in my yard. You know?
[00:19:13] Aminata: Yes. Just that breath that in and that out. Just staying with the breath. And it's only 20 seconds. So we all have time.
Elsbeth: Yes. Can we talk a little or look further at the feminine and, You know, you mentioned something when we prepared for the conversation today about, women's leadership. Yes. Yeah. And the creative energy that you alluded to when you mentioned Freddy Zental about using that N L C that resides in.
[00:19:54] Elsbeth: Our pelvic floor where life was energy emanates from, and then to see how this is correlated to the tree. Mm. Tell us. So anything, anyone who has a aliveness on this planet. So there's int matter, like the table or the rock, and then there is a live matter like you and I and everyone who is listening is a live matter because energy, life force energy that goes hand in hand with a breath, they are one, they give a aliveness, they give life to.
[00:20:44] Elsbeth: How we can see this so clearly is when a person dies. Right before a person dies. The last thing that goes gives in and out is the breath, and then the body falls apart. That doesn't mean that the frequency of that human being dies as well, but the matter. The body of that person, so. Breath and life force go together when we die, they must go together when we are alive.
[00:21:22] Elsbeth: So we learn very little about our life force, n when we grow up, or also as adults. You know, we learn more about nuclear, thermal energy, electrical, than about our life force energy. So when we learn about our life force energy, We become aware that we can guide live with energy through the breath.
[00:21:46] Elsbeth: In, srid, there's the term which is prana, and if anyone studies yoga, you are familiar with that term. Prana means energetic breath. It's curious that they have only one word while western languages have two words, energetic breath or an. And the breath, but they are one because if when I don't. I'm, no, I die.
[00:22:12]: You know? So that energy, that life or energy in as human beings emanates from the base of the spine and then moves up in a serpentine way to the top of the pri the head, and then moves down again with each inhalation it moves up. Each exhalation, it moves down, just like blood flow runs through our arteries and veins.
[00:22:38]: Energy runs through our nervous system. That's the grid for energy. And of course the spine holds so many nerves, you know, so it moves up and down so we be can become aware of that energy running through us, and then we can learn to become aware of that energy in different stages. Like right now, you know, we are, most, all of us are probably in a subtle state of energy like this.
[00:23:11]: Yes. How? However, when I walk at Lake Michigan for my workout, I may feel a real clear over my, from the breeze over my skin, so my energy is slightly arose. A road arises slow. Gets aroused. I think that's the term I'm looking for. I'm not highly aroused like in a climactic, oratory way, you know? But a little bit.
[00:23:40]: And then of course, other stages. And then yes, this energy, when it's highly aroused, it can come to a climactic moment for the woman. A atory moment for the men. That subtle energy and that aroused energy, they come from the same energy. So we call life force energy, sexual energy, or we call it life force sexual energy to be aware of, oh wow, that's the same energy, and I can learn how to guide that energy, given that this energy is creative and pleasurable.
[00:24:21]: Why not using it to set ourselves free in terms of who we wanna become, what we may wanna do in life, how we may wanna contribute. I am not surprised that you had some opening after the retreat because there was a lot of clearing and healing and connecting with that life or energy Then. Integrated with the love energy and connected with the mental and the consciousness, n l energy.
[00:24:54]: So again, we wanna become coherent between these different dimensions or centers because when we com compartmentalized or of we feel of we cannot be that power in the world to bring forth what we came here. And I think that is a really good point to bring forth what we came here for. You know, we can get, lost or confused.
[00:25:26]Aminata: You know, or even be so lost that we've, we don't even know we are lost, you know, as we're just doing stuff. So that thing about connecting to that life force energy, you know, is, as the foundation and bringing it up like in a, with your conscience, with your awareness, you know, bringing it up. that is, that's a beautiful way to, I.
[00:25:52] Elsbeth: Concepts and the real body. Yeah. And let's bring it back now to women women's leadership. Mm-hmm.
[00:26:04]: The feminine sexual energy has been so vilified over the millennia. And feminine sexual energy is our creative energy. It's the bringing forth energy, bringing new life into the world. And it is bringing ourselves into the world in our creation. So what I have, you know, found working with hundreds and hundreds of women over the last, two decades, is that when this en for us women to clear that.
[00:26:50]: Because it's given that we all grew up in a hierarchical structure like the male female structure or other, you know, minority communities. It's the same principles. We won't change it by complaining or fighting. We will change it by changing our consciousness. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. We women. Part of that shift has to do with clearing our relationship with our sexual energy.
[00:27:24]: That is our life force. Mm-hmm. When we set that free creative energy is coming forth. Mm-hmm. Have witnessed this so often, including myself, like me too. I think it's healing. It's not just creative, it's healing. Because you bring it up and you start to notice where there are blocks, you know, physiologically.
[00:27:48] Aminata: I noticed the blocks on my left side doing one of the exercises from the retreat.
Elsbeth: Yeah. So I wanna invite every woman who is listening here, and if there's a man too, to become aware of that, how you may wanna look at women in the future, how you may wanna listen to them. So for, for every woman, That you may wanna open yourself to your creative energy, and some of you may be already very open.
[00:28:21]: Others may wonder what is she talking about? You know? or perhaps if you feel uncomfortable even about this conversation, you know, perhaps have the courage to keep looking, to keep listening. Yes. I found that when there's something uncomfortable for me in my life, being open towards it may open something up that I may have resisted.
[00:28:53]: That however, may be something that. Could free me. Discomfort is always there when I, when there is something blocked or, you know, my construct in my head keeps me from seeing the possibility. So, so clearing, healing, opening our sexual. Not, not just for pleasure and that's wonderful. Mm-hmm. You know, I love that.
[00:29:28]: But also for connecting with that life giving energy. And then I can learn to no, move up that life giving energy into my heart, embellish my heart, and then bring it to my focused mind, my intentionality. And even listening for, you know, what may be next for me? Or what may I wanna open up myself towards?
[00:30:01]: Or perhaps just receiving. Yes. So that my ground itself, my love self. In my spiritual consciousness self that they all dance together and guide me further towards that. Again, back to what I'm here for. Support me in sharing this, yes, that I can leave this planet with. Having made not only my unique, but also the greatest contribution to others.
[00:30:31] Aminata: Yes, and to have delight while we're doing it. You know, one of the things that I'm really, noticing and shedding is a savior, mentality. I'm shedding it because being a savior means that somebody's out there needing to be saved. So I'm creating people who need to be saved in my life. But I'm also shedding it because, saviors tend to get, you know, stoned to death.
[00:31:02] Aminata: They mean they, I mean, they tend to suffer. Part of the, the whole archetype is that there's suffering and martyring. And what I'm really interested in, and you're kind of alluding to it, Elizabeth, is delight as we move of purpose, you know, how can we also appreciate what's so beautiful and. Smells good.
[00:31:23] Aminata: And you know, the feel of breath, you know, my body or the wind on my skin. So, so thank you for connecting all those parts of ourselves, our life force, our heart, and our consciousness. Third eye is where you were pointing as you spoke. I know we only have a few minutes left with you, so let me just ask this question.
[00:31:45] Aminata: Elsbeth, if someone says to you, That all sounds good, Elsbeth, but sometimes my anger is legitimate. Sometimes I have been a boundary's, been crossed and I need to, assert the boundary or, you know, something like that. How do you, how do you negotiate that? Yeah, great question. So, anger, disappointment.
[00:32:19] Elsbeth: all of these feelings are deeply human, just as love is deeply human. It is not to avoid, it's not to suppress our feelings. It's about allowing to feel our feelings and to listen to the feeling. Versus being driven, being done to by the feeling, you know, when I feel subtracted to my anger, this is when I cannot use my anger powerfully.
[00:33:06] Elsbeth: So, so let's say injustice between racial, social, gender. And you know, any injustice which has to do with that a wrong was done, like a promise was not fulfilled. Or, you know, treating someone or being treated without respect and dignity
[00:33:39]: to feel anger is that feeling that has to do with. Be alert, there is something off. Mm-hmm. So it welcome the anger. Now when I get lost in my anger, I cannot use it for the greater good. And that is where we often get lost. Yeah. We feel so self-righteous, you know, so indignant and I am right about this and I now need to shoot back.
[00:34:20]: Then my anger becomes another weapon. And then we are like this, you know where force goes against force. So I wanna listen to my angle, feel it. Often it's in the pit of the stomach, not necessarily, but often. And to breathe into that place and then perhaps ask the question, you know, what is there for me to be seen?
[00:34:49]: Mm-hmm. And out of that question, perhaps action may follow. Sometimes it's in the relationship with a partner or with a friend. You know, and then we move to action. But from the question, what is there for me to be seen, instead of me being so self-righteous and now I have to hit back, it's very ineffective actually, in terms of what I may wanna affect.
[00:35:19] Aminata: Mm-hmm. And also applies to the big question of racial or social injustice. Well, I thank you, Elsbeth. We're just out at the end of our time. This is such a juicy conversation. Can you please tell our folks how they can learn more about you, a website maybe, or anything you wanna share?
[00:35:43] Elsbeth: Yes. Yes. [email protected], it's spelled T A N T R A N O V A, tantra Nova, like supernova, tantra, nova. I also work with women, not just with couples, for. Freddy also works only with men. And, in the program section, you can learn further about the feminine essence work. and then I would love to share this heart to heart connection practice, with everyone who is listening today.
[00:36:17]: And thank you so much from my heart to yours, aminata, for your grace, for your power, and for your leadership. Hmm. Thank you.
Aminata: Thank you. And we will share the link to the heart to heart and the show notes and, really blessings to you and tantra, nova, and all the work that you do, the seeds you plant.