"When I came to play the singing bowls for the first time ever for a group of people... She said right before I started, you should sing with the bowls. And that felt like it was asking for some courage for me to share my voice. And I went for it, and it felt the most aligned I've ever felt, sharing something with people."--Stacey Pickering
Welcome to another episode of the Mother Tree Network podcast!
In today's episode, our host, Aminata, sits down with the incredible Stacey Pickering, a sound healer and vibrational therapist. They delve deep into the power of sound and its impact on our emotional and physical well-being.
Aminata opens up about a childhood experience that affected her self-confidence, and Stacey empathizes, emphasizing the importance of embracing our own voices. Together, they explore the idea of using vocal sounds as a means of releasing emotions and finding resolution.
With the rise of technology, Aminata questions the difference between hearing someone else sing and singing imperfectly oneself. Stacey introduces the concept of humming and its ability to regulate the nervous system, even demonstrating a breathing and humming exercise.
The conversation then turns towards the application of sound practices in public schools to help children regulate themselves. Stacey's wisdom and experience shine through as they discuss her background in yoga, chanting, and the profound resonance she feels within her body when using specific tones.
As the episode continues, Stacey shares her journey into facilitating sound journeys and the transformative impact it has had on her life. They discuss the interconnectedness of the mind and body, emphasizing the importance of somatic experiences and movement for healing and release.
"The vibrational resonance just reached right in there, just transcended the part of my logical mind that could keep talking me out of… letting go or, … Went right past that loud mind, that resistant mind."–Stacey Pickering
Aminata and Stacey also touch on the financial challenges faced by holistic practitioners and the vulnerability associated with using one's voice. They both agree that walking into that fear is an essential part of the healing process.
So sit back, relax, and join us as we delve into the world of sound healing and vibrational therapy with Stacey Pickering on this enlightening episode of the Mother Tree Network podcast.
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Stacey Pickering is a multi-faceted Holistic Wellness Practitioner, Ecotherapy Facilitator, and movement artist, who works with music, sound & the natural world to transcend the barriers of the logical mind and connect us fully with ourselves as whole beings. She is an advocate for rest as a path of liberation.
02:59 Yoga training led to unexpected move and sound healing.
06:53 Non-traditional yoga training included parental forgiveness.
10:12 Not a yoga teacher. Sound felt intuitive, vibrational.
15:03 Voice joins instruments in transformative sound baths.
19:37 Powerful, specific cultural fear acts as medicine.
21:29 Childhood voice experiences, vulnerability, self-expression through sound.
27:42 Breathe, touch belly and heart, exhale sound.
31:50 Learned Sanskrit chanting, utilizes specific sounds. Resonance noticed, used in personal practice.
33:21 Evolved from ancient sounds into authentic expression.
39:26 Different frequencies resonate with body parts.
43:52 Breathe deeply, focusing on our bodies.
Amanda Aminata [00:00:02]:
Hey, Stacey Pickering.
Stacey Pickering [00:00:05]:
Hi. I'm Inessa, and thank you for having me.
Amanda Aminata [00:00:09]:
I am so excited to have you here. First of all, I want everyone to know that, we listened to an excerpt from one of your sound bath Meditations on Spotify and everyone in our community was really appreciative. It's amazing how it just goes right to your cells. You know? The longer you let yourself be in the soup of sound, how it just really Vibrate yourselves. So thank you for putting your work out there in the world.
Stacey Pickering [00:00:41]:
My pleasure. Thank you for listening.
Amanda Aminata [00:00:45]:
You know, I like to begin every interview by asking what's good. So Tell me, what's good to you today in this moment?
Stacey Pickering [00:00:59]:
In this moment, I am sitting in front of a window in a space that is New to me, I just recently moved. And there is a beautiful green space out Side backyard, which I did not have before. I was living in a very urban area, and I'm just a little bit, west of there, but it's much greener, and I have trees, in my view. And I get to wake up in the morning and greet them and do my practice here and sing here. And and I'm sitting here right now with those Trees, in my view. So that feels really it's been really healing for me. Mhmm.
Amanda Aminata [00:01:55]:
Mhmm. Mhmm. Where are you based, Stacey?
Stacey Pickering [00:01:59]:
Amanda Aminata [00:02:02]:
Mhmm. Yeah. And I I because I thought I've seen that based on your post on Instagram. And just Just so everyone knows, I met you via Instagram. I actually went to one of your sound bath healings that you do online once a month, And, and I was transported, and that was like an hour long experience of sound. And, it was so it just felt like giving myself something really luxurious, You know, to to stop everything and put on headphones and give yourself an hour of sound that is intended to heal you. I I so I don't know what what what you would say to that, except maybe you wanna tell us a little bit about how you got there, how you got to taking people on these sound journeys?
Stacey Pickering [00:02:59]:
So how I got there? Well, I was Was in a yoga teacher training, which is what brought me back to Cleveland after living in lots of other places for about, 11 and a half, 12 years. And, I met a teacher here who I really wanted to study with. I was Just back visiting my family, but, this teacher was speaking to exactly what I had been asking spirit to bring into my life. And even though I didn't think I wanted to move back to Cleveland, This is where this is where what I was asking for was being offered. So, I came back for 3 months And that was 9 years ago. And here I am still. And during that time, I, had sound vibrational sound sound intended for healing just coming into my life. I, rented a house with one of the people I met in my training who I was studying music therapy, and she brought a couple of singing bowls into our home, and, sometimes I would feel like a shift happening in me before I knew what was happening, and I'd be like, it's those bowls.
Stacey Pickering [00:04:35]:
Fix those bowls. And You mean before the bowls
Amanda Aminata [00:04:39]:
were even playing, you felt something happening or wouldn't Before
Stacey Pickering [00:04:42]:
I knew that's That's what it was. It was like she would be playing the Bulls in the house, and I wouldn't have identified, like, That they were playing, I would feel something shifting and then be like, it's oh, it's those Bulls playing. She's playing them. And, At the same time, there was someone in Cleveland who was offering, sound bath meditations for groups with multiple instruments singing bowls. I think maybe it was just singing bowls. And I went, and I really experienced, Yeah. The sound out of cellular cellular level as you described, I had a whole, basically, psychedelic visual journey just, from the sound where I could really see, imbalances in me. And, yeah.
Stacey Pickering [00:05:46]:
I could see imbalances in me, like, raveling. And I saw them as, like, color and patterns that were associated with the sounds, and it just Created such an unwinding of what was wound up in me and such a softening and an opening, and I could really See, like, new patterns opening, and pathways opening for what was next.
Amanda Aminata [00:06:17]:
You mean, like, new patterns in your energy?
Stacey Pickering [00:06:20]:
Patterns. Or new patterns? Yeah. Patterns in my energy. Patterns within me, and just, like, opening, like, pathways, from the unwinding of what maybe was being held that was, like, Manifesting as imbalances for me. The old things unraveling And space being created for new.
Amanda Aminata [00:06:45]:
Is there is there could you give us an example of something that you felt unraveling that the sound helped to unravel for you? I I know it was a while ago.
Stacey Pickering [00:06:53]:
Yeah. So at the time in the yoga The teacher training, we were dealing with, the first thing that we did, it was a pretty non traditional yoga teacher training And the first thing that we did was to go right into our relationship with our parents and to Forgive them if we felt like we were holding things that needed to be forgiven or, just, you know, right into those kind of, core issues that most of us carry. And it was really hard for me. It was really hard for me. I was, I had a lot of resistance. And when I went to the sound bath, it was like the sounds just went right into that resistance. And where I was holding it in my heart, and I could just feel that, like, Tightness that kind of armor around my heart, like unwinding and just like the sound coming in, Space being created, you know, softening of that armor.
Amanda Aminata [00:08:15]:
One of the things I like about what you're saying, Well, let me just say it this way. That resonates as true about what you're saying is, Sometimes the breaking down the armor or forgiveness, or the resistance that we're feeling inside of us is really best handled by not going through the mind, But first going through the body, how do you what do you think about that?
Stacey Pickering [00:08:48]:
I absolutely agree with you. My mind felt, just stuck in resistance, And it didn't I didn't see a way to logically make my way through to the other side of it or any even into it. And but the But, yeah, the sound, the vibrational, the vibrational Resonance just reached right in there, just transcended the part of my logical mind that could keep talking me out of, You know, just talking me out of letting go or, you know, was, Went right past that loud mind, that resistant mind. And and I find that that's true with movement practice as well. Any kind of somatic experience of, like, moving through physically whatever is going on, Has just been profound, sometimes in combination with, like, talk therapy or, you know, going there with the mind, but the body as well.
Amanda Aminata [00:09:59]:
Mhmm. Mhmm. So you had your 1st sound bath experience. You're doing yoga teacher training. And fast forward, Are you a yoga teacher train teacher now and a sound bath person? Are you really a sound person?
Stacey Pickering [00:10:12]:
I'm a sound Kirsten. I am not a yoga teacher, and I didn't necessarily go into that training with the intention of being a yoga a teacher, which might sound strange, but I but I think that might be true for peep you know, for people It's true for me. From others. You know, she's about deepening. Yeah. It's about deepening your own practice or just, you know, a lot of times, You know, healing whatever needs to be healed in you or just growth. So I did teach yoga for a while, but it never Quite resonated with me, and actually it was that logical part of the mind that felt like it needed to be engaged For me in yoga teaching, that just never quite felt fluid for me, and That's why sound did because it felt intuitive, vibrational. I I felt an ease with it right from the start.
Amanda Aminata [00:11:17]:
Wow. So it it was intuitive, vibrational. You felt at ease with it from the start. Yeah. Mhmm. Wow. I I'm I repeated those words out loud because I think that Sometimes we think we have to do the thing we were trained in or we have to use a modality that our teacher, Hope we very much respect users. But a friend of mine, Gin Fry, she said, well, Just because it's really good for your teacher doesn't mean if it doesn't come easy or intuitive for you, then it may not be your modality.
Amanda Aminata [00:11:51]:
And Mhmm. So I love that. Sometimes we don't have to work it hard.
Stacey Pickering [00:11:57]:
Amanda Aminata [00:12:01]:
Sometimes we just need to work it easy and see what's the easy path here, you know? Yes.
Stacey Pickering [00:12:09]:
Yes, please. I keep learning that.
Amanda Aminata [00:12:14]:
We you we we did have some communication about that, Like because obviously as a sound bath healer, and this is your work in the world. Right? And this is the way that you sustain yourself financially.
Stacey Pickering [00:12:30]:
Amanda Aminata [00:12:36]:
Okay. Tell me about that.
Stacey Pickering [00:12:39]:
Well, I could say, both I wish and also Yes, to some degree.
Amanda Aminata [00:12:47]:
Stacey Pickering [00:12:48]:
Yes, to some degree. So I do regularly offer sound graphs to groups online and in person, And people do pay money for that and, you know, it varies, like, How much it supports me financially, and I I also do work with people 1 on 1 with different energy modalities, including sound. And that also somewhat sustains me financially and also not entirely. And I do work other jobs as well. Mhmm. So, And I am currently intending to get a degree in music therapy because It's basically like a societally validated way to be offering sound to be able to sing to people, which is what I wanna do the most and to be able to have more financial stability doing that. Yeah. So yeah.
Stacey Pickering [00:14:08]:
So that is the next step up.
Amanda Aminata [00:14:10]:
Okay. So what you so there's a few things we wanna talk about. Wanna talk about this money issue because so many of us who are out here bringing our medicine to the world Are, navigating, how does it work to make it so that I bring this medicine and so that I am, Reciprocated, you know, to sustain life, my life, at the level and at the pace that I want to. So, So I do wanna come back to that. But I have to start with love because what you said was, I wanna sing to people, which is what I love. So tell me about what you think is the difference between singing to people and and doing this, like, sound bath sound bath vibrational healing. Because I really wanna hear someone else talk about the human voice.
Stacey Pickering [00:15:03]:
Well, for me, when I play sound baths for people, My voice always wants to be one of the instruments. So that That has been that has been true, since the beginning with me playing these instruments, and that That was encouraged by a friend who invited me for the 1st time to play the bowls for one of her yoga classes. And, she she knows that I sing. She's heard me sing. And when I came to play the singing bowls for the first time ever for a group of people. She said right before I started, you should sing with the Bulls, and I was like, well, we'll see what happens. And that felt like it was asking for, like, some courage from me to share my voice, and I went for it, and it felt really, like, the most aligned I've ever felt, like, sharing something with people. And people from the class, you know, shared with me afterwards that they had, Like, a really profound experience, and they were really encouraging me to use my voice, that that really was part of it for them.
Stacey Pickering [00:16:37]:
And so I've always used my voice with the vibrational instruments. And I also like to sing melodic songs too, you know, chants, songs that have words that I learn or that I make up. I hear songs coming through when I'm in nature. Sometimes it's just Sounds and sometimes there are words. Does that answer the question?
Amanda Aminata [00:17:08]:
Of course, it answered the question. So, so the reason why I asked is because I have gotten A pretty big nudging and knowing that my voice is A huge instrument for evolution, for consciousness expansion, for evolution. And I love to sing. I I'm very pitchy. I'm not gonna lie. I'm very pitchy. So that means that sometimes I get uptight about seeing, like, my shoulders rise up because I don't wanna, like, mess up. But, When I'm very relaxed and just being in service to, the The beauty that wants to come through or the sadness or the anger that wants to come through, then I don't feel I don't think about pitch.
Amanda Aminata [00:18:13]:
And I just let the medicine come through because it makes me feel good. And, hopefully, and additionally, it would be great if other people felt good too. And I wonder because I've heard you sing, and you are not pitchy.
Stacey Pickering [00:18:38]:
I'll let everybody
Amanda Aminata [00:18:39]:
know you sound good when you sing. Thank you. But there's something really vulnerable about, You know, letting your voice be heard and as opposed to letting a sound bow be heard or a beautiful instrument. You know, my husband plays a violin. He's got beautiful sounds coming through his instrument. But when you just when your voice is what's being heard and all the cracks and The crinkles in the morning and the night before.
Stacey Pickering [00:19:08]:
Amanda Aminata [00:19:08]:
I don't know. There's something really immediate about it.
Stacey Pickering [00:19:15]:
Mhmm. Yes. Yes. It is vulnerable, and That vulnerability itself is medicine for us. Right? Like, to go into it Yeah. To, you know, and see what might be expressed Right. From there. Right.
Stacey Pickering [00:19:37]:
It's powerful. And I It's it feels really specific to this culture and Probably others, but definitely to this culture, the one that I know, where it's so common for us to feel that We're not that there's some way to do it right or that we might not be doing it right. And Mhmm. Most people I know have that here of our own voices. And, and it's so interesting because it's It's a medicine that most of us have access to that, and so I guess because it is it lives in us, that fear of it culturally then moving, you know, going into that fear and is the medicine too for us. You know?
Amanda Aminata [00:20:41]:
Stacey Pickering [00:20:44]:
Amanda Aminata [00:20:45]:
Yeah. Being able to being willing to walk into the danger Or what could be trouble?
Stacey Pickering [00:20:51]:
There. Mhmm. Mhmm.
Amanda Aminata [00:20:55]:
And maybe some people have, Like, I had an experience as a little girl. I used to sing a lot, like Mhmm. Unabashedly sing. Right? And I remember singing in a hallway some song because it had nice echoes goes in an apartment building. And this 1 person came out and she told me something like, you know, you don't sound as good as you think you do Or something like that. I don't remember what it was. Who knows what she meant, if she meant it for harm or not. Wow.
Amanda Aminata [00:21:23]:
It was like a shock to my system. And all of a sudden, I was like felt like I had to cover up.
Stacey Pickering [00:21:29]:
I hear you. And I have heard other people express similar things that There's just this one experience as a child where someone said something about our voice, and it just became this This thing in us, it made that vulnerable part of us just wanna hide. And so, yeah, it goes back deep for a lot of us to be able to go into it and learn to be with that part of us. So let the somehow, you know, let that part of us feel safe enough to come out. But I I also am really interested in helping people go into the voice, you know, and just with, I'm exploring something like, this idea of sounding it out, like, I'm just gonna play one of these instruments that just makes a tone. And, and this is a practice I do myself, which is Like when I'm feeling big things, when I'm feeling big emotions, and I, like, need to move through it, I move through it with my voice. I'll play like the shoe to box, that droning instruments and just make The wildest sounds, whatever needs to come out. What is the sound of this feeling? And just, it's guttural, and it's ugly, and it's whatever.
Stacey Pickering [00:23:02]:
And making all the sounds that need to come out until until whatever. Until it feels like something is resolved or has shifted. And, It's such medicine to use our voice in that way. And who knows? Sometimes a song does come out or something that sounds Harmonious. Mhmm. But not always, but also, yeah. I'm really interested in encouraging people or sharing that practice with people more. It's kind of new coming through for me as a thing to share.
Amanda Aminata [00:23:44]:
Stacey Pickering [00:23:45]:
Like, help guide people through like that process.
Amanda Aminata [00:23:49]:
Absolutely. Please do. I think one of the problems with technology and things like CDs and Instagram and Spotify. Places where we are and where as performing artists we need to be. Isn't it sort of makes it Like, it sets a bar so high that you're like, oh, instead of me singing you this song that I really like, let me find a recording of it and play, you know, somebody else Singing it, which is okay, but it's different than than you finding the song, The melody inside of yourself and sharing that with someone. So that's one thing. And then when you said about Just the guttural sounds, and it just reminded me of have you heard of Resmaa Menachem? He wrote the book Yes. My Grandmother's Hands.
Stacey Pickering [00:24:45]:
Yes. I'm at pause in that book because he asks us to pause, like, when, you know, at the place where we're, like, I'm not ready to fully go into that practice all the way. So, Yes. I do know that book, and I am paused with it. But yeah.
Amanda Aminata [00:25:10]:
One of the things that I like about it Is he talks about how, he talks about his grandmother, of course. But he also talks about humming.
Stacey Pickering [00:25:18]:
Amanda Aminata [00:25:19]:
Humming as a way to bring ourself into regulation, To to bring ourselves back into emotional balance or energetic balance. And, So why did I bring that up? Well, I feel like I just With technology, sometimes we we don't give ourselves We don't recognize the medicine we already have inside of us. And I wonder if there's something different about me humming than about me hearing somebody Singing something really well. You know what I mean? I I just wanna vibrationally is there a difference? When I sing it imperfectly, You know, versus when, you know, I don't know, Etta James or Ella Fitzgerald and, you know, these people have amazing styles L's and voices when they sing it. What do you think?
Stacey Pickering [00:26:19]:
So you're asking if there's a difference?
Amanda Aminata [00:26:23]:
Yeah. When you hear something sung versus when you sing it. Even if you love it the way that somebody else Right.
Stacey Pickering [00:26:28]:
Does it. Definitely. Yes. And I Though I don't teach yoga now, I did teach yoga. And I I taught yoga in Cleveland public schools for a while. And one of the Nervous system regulation tools that I learned and and, worked with with the kids was humming and especially to actually cover your ears while you're humming. And it really helps you to feel that resonance and vibration. And it's it's actually scientific typically proven to regulate the nervous system When you yourself to actually feel that vibration in your body and it stimulates the vagus nerve.
Stacey Pickering [00:27:19]:
And So it definitely is healing in a different way.
Amanda Aminata [00:27:26]:
So could you, I'm gonna ask you. This is completely unexpected. But can you demonstrate that for us so that, you know, if people are listening to this, if they wanna practice humming Sure. After this or during this time?
Stacey Pickering [00:27:42]:
Sure. So first, I would just encourage or invite everyone to take a breath in through the nose, into the belly. Maybe putting a hand on the belly, And maybe a hand on the heart if that feels good or okay for you. And to breathe in through the nose into the belly. And then breathe out through the mouth, just letting it have whatever sound it might want or need to have. We'll take 1 more breath like that, and then after that, I'll say inhale to And when we the invitation is to put your hands over your ears. And we'll do that. Let's do that 3 times and maybe experiment with your hands On your ears, hands off the ears, hand on heart, wherever it feels right.
Stacey Pickering [00:28:44]:
So let's just take 1 more breath together first In through the nose, into the belly. Exhale however it feels good or right, And then inhale to And again, inhale to And one more time, inhale to home. And then just breathe however it's comfortable for you, and notice how you feel.
Amanda Aminata [00:30:00]:
Well, I feel good.
Stacey Pickering [00:30:04]:
Me me too.
Amanda Aminata [00:30:08]:
So you should use that in public school to help the kids kinda regulate and settle themselves?
Stacey Pickering [00:30:16]:
Amanda Aminata [00:30:30]:
Wow. That does stop an interview, doesn't it?
Stacey Pickering [00:30:33]:
Sure does. I was like, well
Amanda Aminata [00:30:35]:
Stacey Pickering [00:30:36]:
feels like we're complete. We're good.
Amanda Aminata [00:30:41]:
We're good. We're good. I mean, there is so much truth in that. We are good. Let's take a moment to have a break to hear from our sponsor. K. So we're back with Stacey Pickering, our sound healer, vibrational therapy. You know, just beautiful soul over here in in the Midwest.
Amanda Aminata [00:31:12]:
So, Stacey, some of the things that people might be wondering is, like, how does humming And chanting relate. Like, there's chanting in a lot of religious traditions. You know? If you've done yoga teacher training, then you've probably come across some of the The Hindu chants, the chants related to the chakras. And I I was just wondering about that. Like, how much do you need to know to be effective? And if you chant versus you you know, is there a difference to your body in your experience? Mhmm. Mhmm.
Stacey Pickering [00:31:50]:
Good question. So, yes, as you mentioned, In my yoga teacher training, we did learn specific chants, specific Sounds and tones. My teacher is from India and, and did teach us Sanskrit chanting, and I've also participated in, kirtan, which uses the Sanskrit language, and it's like a call and response, chanting practice. And, Yes. I do notice specific, types A resonance in the body with certain chants, with certain tones, and sounds. And I sometimes do use those tones and sounds with when I'm doing my personal practice. And when I'm sharing sounds, Tongues, tones with other people. I don't tend to use Sanskrit, or other languages that I don't feel like are mine to share.
Stacey Pickering [00:33:21]:
I think that has shifted for me over time. I think just From a place of wanting to feel comfortable with something I know or something that has been passed down, I would use those sounds That come from these ancient cultures or that have been passed down to me through whomever. And at some point, I have just naturally evolved out of using them into using what feels authentic to me. What are the sounds that are just coming through? And that's that's really what feels like mine to share. So, And I do find I explore, like, what different types of vowel And consonant sounds feel like in different parts of the body, but I never tell people this sound It's for this part of the body because I really do feel like the medicine of sound, often Or in my experience goes where it needs to go for each of us.
Amanda Aminata [00:34:33]:
I love that. I I just love that because you know what? When you say that, even if you say that out loud, this sound is gonna go wherever it needs to go For each of us. So it'll be probably it may be different for each person in this room. It's like you just it's like it's just so much permissioning. And And I feel like so much of our education is, like, structuring us to get the same result. You know? Like, we're so trained for the right answer, in other words. So that thing about trusting your body, listening to your body, your body has intelligence. I mean, that's what I hear you where I hear you coming from.
Amanda Aminata [00:35:10]:
Mhmm. And when you were When you were integrating your voice into, you know, your sound practices, some people might be wondering, like, how do you know When to use your voice or when to really rely on the bowls or bells or it rattles. I I You mentioned, I think, a droning instrument you have. Mhmm. Mhmm.
Stacey Pickering [00:35:39]:
So That is a great question, and that is always evolving. And I feel like What's always being asked of me in that process is deep listening. So The sound that's coming forth always comes from a place of listening, so that's how I always start. And that said, you referred to that droning instrument I mentioned, which is the Shruti, s h r u t I. It's in the harmonium family, and it just drones. And, in the recording that we listened to at the beginning of this. That's that, kind of dominant. I feel like it's kind of dominant in that recording and it's that It's so it's a drone.
Stacey Pickering [00:36:34]:
And for me, it feels grounding. Like it grounds. It feels like the foundation for the other sounds, and it feels it has a that resonates in me in a way that Calms my nervous system to where I am in that place of listening to let The sounds come through. So I almost always start with that instrument. And What what wants to come through from there is Always intuitive.
Amanda Aminata [00:37:13]:
Right. It's in the moment. Right? Mhmm. It's it's Mhmm. What is So how do you get so I feel like what you're kinda saying is you're you you start by listening. And so how do you tune yourself to listen? Will you tune yourself to listen with the shruti in your case?
Stacey Pickering [00:37:35]:
I so I do I do have a silent meditation practice That is has also evolved and doesn't last as long as it used to. I don't have as much of a, like, everyday I sit silently for this amount of time, which I used to, which was kind of my pathway into meditation. But I do start, especially when I'm sharing sound with other people. I do ask, Spirit to come through with what needs to be shared for me. And whether that's the spoken words I offer to people to guide I I usually start with, like, guiding people into A meditative place with spoken words and then go into the sound. So when I'm asking that, I'm asking Spirit to let the message move through. I'm asking for that both with the spoken word and then when The sounds come through too.
Amanda Aminata [00:38:49]:
Mhmm. Mhmm. And I we're we're we're gonna wrap up. Stacy, but But I do wanna ask you 1 more question about sound. So I've heard people say things about different megahertz, like 432 is the sound of love, and, You know, middle c is the sound of love. I mean, I've heard different numbers. Some people say, I don't know. I can't remember now, Before thirty two stands out, so are there certain vibrations or numbers, megahertz, that that you are attracted to or that You feel like have a big impact on people?
Stacey Pickering [00:39:26]:
That's a really good question. And There are definitely, different Different schools of thought around that for sure. There There are people out there definitely, like, studying, you know, which frequencies, resonate with certain parts of the body or or might facilitate like an opening rather than a grounding and things like That, and I while I am aware Have some of, like, what the frequencies are of the instruments that I use. When I was actually purchasing singing bowls, For the most part, you can choose between 440, which is What most of the instruments were used to, guitars, violins, most of the music we hear is in 440, and then or 432, which is in some schools A thought believed to be, maybe like a more opening or ethereal connecting kind of frequency. And so that was a question that I Definitely sat with when I was deciding which holes am I going to choose. And I Did choose standard tuning, which is 440 because I want to be able to to play them with my other instruments, which are almost all 440. And I am I am drawn to what grounds me what grounds Meet in, with the elements of this Earth, my, You know, body just kind of I I am drawn to exploring being here and not just like transcending being here, I guess. Mhmm.
Stacey Pickering [00:41:51]:
Amanda Aminata [00:41:53]:
So so is that why you you prefer the 4 40 tuning then?
Stacey Pickering [00:41:58]:
Does that mean more earthy? I don't I won't I I I chose it for myself. I don't know if I, like, prefer it over the other, But it is what I use.
Amanda Aminata [00:42:11]:
I got you.
Stacey Pickering [00:42:12]:
What I chose, and and I also totally see the value in 432 and other tunings.
Amanda Aminata [00:42:20]:
Stacey Pickering [00:42:21]:
Amanda Aminata [00:42:23]:
Well, this is fascinating. If people wanna get to know more about you and experience, your vibrational healing Or just to follow find you on social media just to get, you know, what you're doing with your singing now. How can they do that?
Stacey Pickering [00:42:44]:
So, my Linktree is probably the best way, which I believe, you'll be able to share in the show
Amanda Aminata [00:42:54]:
Stacey Pickering [00:42:55]:
Okay. And, I mean, my website It's one of the links on the Linktree. My website is stacy pickering wellness .com.
Amanda Aminata [00:43:08]:
Great. And that's Stacey spelled s you wanna spell Stacey for us?
Stacey Pickering [00:43:14]:
S t a c e y p I c k e r I n g wellness.com.
Amanda Aminata [00:43:26]:
Perfect. Perfect. Well, let's close out with a little bit of humming.
Stacey Pickering [00:43:33]:
Amanda Aminata [00:43:43]:
Oh, do you want me to start?
Stacey Pickering [00:43:46]:
Would you like to? Do you No. How you feel about it? Or do you want me to?
Amanda Aminata [00:43:50]:
Oh, I thought you would.
Stacey Pickering [00:43:52]:
Okay. I can. Alright. Alright. So, let's just take 1 breath first. Into our bellies, putting our hands wherever it feels good on our body, breathing out through the mouth. And then, we'll 3 times. So let's breathe in to And breathe in to And one last time, breathe in to
Amanda Aminata [00:45:03]:
Awesome. Thank you, Stacey Pickering, sound healer, vibrational Therapist. Until the next time.
Stacey Pickering [00:45:11]:
Thank you. Thank you so much for having me and being here with me.
Amanda Aminata [00:45:18]: