#011: Native Artist Jennifer Folayan on Synchronicity, the Turtle Island Origin Story, and Holding Trauma and Joy

podcast Nov 24, 2022


[Trauma Alert: Short mention of childhood sexual abuse and incest towards the end of the interview]


I hope you will celebrate Native American Heritage and peoples during November.  One great way is to spend time on Thanksgiving listening to Native voices and extending reciprocity to First Nations peoples and earth mama.


In this joyful conversation Jennifer and I discuss:


Celebrating the passing of Indigenous People's Day in Baltimore and Philly


How she makes land and peoples acknowledgements personal 


Reconnecting and staying in the body allows for synchronicities to find you

How giving a keynote as an ambassador of Turtle Island in South Africa with artists committed to social transformation stretched her 


Jennifer’s secret to accomplishing a big thing is:

Aligning your emotions with your intentions; holding your intention with lightness; and keep swimming–taking action.


Jennifer tells the Turtle Island origin story, a version of which is held by many Native groups in North America as an example of someone small fulfilling on a huge task.


Finally, Jennifer shares how you can carry generational trauma and still be light and joyful. 

Jennifer says, "We are all perfect."


You can find out more about Jennifer Folayan by going to

Website: https://www.jenniferfolayan.com/

YouTube channel:




Jennifer Folayan Transcript

[00:00:00] Amanda Aminata Sol: Alright. My sister . Jennifer I thought we could start off by asking you what's something that is inspiring you right now? Something or someone who is inspiring

[00:00:10] Jennifer Folayan: you right now? Wow, .

[00:00:14] Amanda Aminata Sol: By the way, everybody, I didn't give Jennifer a list of questions ahead of time, so this is really, so this is really a free flow conversation.

And Jennifer, there are no wrong answers. I just wanna know what's happening, what's making you feel good in your body, good in your emotions, or good about,

[00:00:29] Jennifer Folayan: Anything? I felt good for moving. It reminds me in high school I used to get all those sweat into the oldies with Richard Simmons.

And then I had the little step thing. And I remember getting up, like I would try to get up super early before high school and do my little stepper with Richard Simmons. So I don't know why that popped in my head, but , he was always so happy and that kind of stuff. And I'm feeling like each.

I'm just very grateful to be in the space that I am and I'm preparing. I leave Wednesday for [00:01:00] South Africa and this has been like a really huge undertaking that I've taken on. Just a little bit about me real quick. I'm Cherokee Pueblo and Aztec, so happy Native American Heritage Month. I serve on the board of directors of the Baltimore American Indian Center.

I live in the Baltimore area, which is the lands of the Pisca Way and Susquehanna, and my group, indigenous Strong got Indigenous People's Day passed for Baltimore City last year. So this year was our first official celebration.

[00:01:32] Amanda Aminata Sol: Wait. We gotta, let's not pass over that. This year was the first official celebration of Indigenous People's Day, Woohoohoo.


[00:01:41] Jennifer Folayan: Yes, I know Philly also celebrated their first day, so if you're in Philly area, yay. Philly . It's been a long road, but I'm feeling happy today.

[00:01:52] Amanda Aminata Sol: Jennifer. Thank you for identifying the land that you're on. You said it was Piscataway and [00:02:00] Susquehanna people. Yes. Susquehanna Land. Yeah.

So thank you for identifying that. And let me ask you this how important is it to you to know and to say out loud whose land you're on?

[00:02:17] Jennifer Folayan: It's important not just for me, but also when we come into other spaces and our allies also recognize the land we're on. I think many of my peoples and my peoples are from where Pat is right now and New Mexico. , that's where the Pueblo side is from. My dad's family's from New Mexico and my mom is from California, but I think.

It goes to help prepare the. Long erasure of Native American people. And that invisibility even here in Baltimore City, when we were advocating for Indigenous People's Day, people were shocked. What? There's Indians in Baltimore. Yeah, [00:03:00] we're still here. , we didn't go away. But oftentimes Indians or Native peoples, or First Nation peoples are, it's like a historical context.

That was in history way long ago. And People don't realize that there is a big still indigenous populations across the Americas.

[00:03:19] Amanda Aminata Sol: Yeah. And I just wanna notice that when you talked about the erasure that I just wanna say out loud that I did feel sadness, and I notice this sadness in your voice.

So I just wanna get space for that, yeah. The heart is big enough to hold sadness, and Jennifer, when you say the names of those people, is the Piscataway, the Susquehanna,

[00:03:40] Jennifer Folayan: for you? Do you notice

[00:03:41] Amanda Aminata Sol: or you talk about Pueblo? I just wonder, do you notice anything in your body? Does anything happen for you when you say those words or say your heritage,

[00:03:51] Jennifer Folayan: out loud?

I feel connected because I personally know people. So when I say Piscataway, I [00:04:00] think of the people that I actually know, like Gabby and Peter. Right now the Pisca way with Biden just signing the new national. Recognition of Native American Heritage Month the Pesca Way. Were posting some different things on Facebook, so they live in Southern Mall, Maryland and DC So it just brings to mind friends that I know, when I say Pueblo, it reminds me of New Mexico.

And although I haven't been back to New Mexico many years I just think of the people that I've met along my journey. And so it makes me feel.

[00:04:36] Amanda Aminata Sol: Yeah. Makes you feel proud? . I just feel like there's something for us, for those of us who don't have indigenous heritage there's just something.

For us there about knowing names of who the land belonged to, but also connecting it to people. , and so thank you for just for that little gentle modeling you just did for [00:05:00] us. .

[00:05:02] Jennifer Folayan: Yes. And I'd invite people to turn your cameras on because for me, , I don't want you to be invisible, but I understand if that's not comfortable for you.

But as I'm looking out, I like to see people, I like to connect with people and see all your beautiful faces. , I'm, who am I talking

[00:05:18] Amanda Aminata Sol: to? Am

[00:05:19] Jennifer Folayan: out here? . Hey Pat. No, . Nice to you, Michelle. Mary. Thank you , Marsha . No problem. I totally get it. If you have to eat lunch and stuff,

[00:05:35] Amanda Aminata Sol: Thank you, Jennifer. I love that. I love that you just made that request. Thank you. Anything. What else do you want? . , yes. Why not? We have 40 people here who can like .

[00:05:50] Jennifer Folayan: Oh, first I just wanna acknowledge everyone for coming on the call and doing a walk. I myself, it's yeah, I know I should be walking and moving, but do I really have [00:06:00] to?

And like the other person was saying, I just okay, let me just do it. Let me just try something different. And it really does, be able to connect in my body, get the juices flow. Oftentimes I get stuck in my head or in work mode oh, this isn't serious. I gotta work. I need to answer your email

But I'm really enjoying just taking the time for ourselves. I just acknowledge everybody on the call for taking that time and, challenging us to move. That was really cool. And TriNet's on the call that's, this is something that TriNet had challenged me earlier in the year. She's my mentor through racial justice from the Heart program, and I noticed that when you talk about getting into the heart, Like I thought that I was pretty like compassionate and all that good stuff, but I realized that I was often stuck in my head and feeling disconnected.

So that's why, like I said connection's really important and I have to actively work at connection. [00:07:00] So realizing that I'm not always in my body, I'm not always checking in, has been a real learning lesson this year. And as I've been checking in and getting more connected, I've found that a lot of synchronicities were happening.

And one of the big synchronicities that I briefly mentioned is that I met someone and was just chit chatting about my story and getting to know them. And they are an organizer of an international conference. And this year it's in South Africa. So she asked me to be the keynote speaker from Turtle Island over in South Africa.

It's a conference for artists who are committed to social transformation. And so I'm really honored to be going. I'll be telling my story and leading a workshop called Spread Your Wings, the Courage to Fly. It's a program I wrote a few years ago that explores the life cycle of a butterfly, and we work.

With music, [00:08:00] dance, art, drama, and I highlight indigenous arts because again, like I said, oftentimes African Native American polynesian arts have gone invisible in the universities or in what's considered like when you're studying art and art history and all that good stuff. So I'm bringing that to the table and so I'm really excited to have that opportunity and to.

I could say a little bit more about it in a little bit, but that's where my focus has been. And to be an ambassador for my people and also just these great ideas is really like tremendous. The first, sorry, and. I'll be given the keynote at Constitution Hill, which is a historic site that used to be a former prison where Mandela and Gandhi and other people are.

So I'm just really been reflecting on all this great stuff, , and knowing that sometimes then you have to come back to that point, like you said in the beginning, the tree, the root. [00:09:00] Starting about where we're from. I know a lot of people on this call have probably been on different journeys yourselves, in terms of what are my roots and what's connecting me and how do I stay rooted, but yet expand out into this rich, vast world of possibilities,

[00:09:18] Amanda Aminata Sol: Okay, so now I gotta follow, dive in there, . So first of all, , so you said you just have me talking to someone and from a single conversation she's will you be our keynote? How does that happen?

[00:09:32] Jennifer Folayan: Synchronicity. I happened to be wearing my little butterfly earrings that day. And it comes from being open, like just being curious about people.

And it was actually that day we had gone to. Another festival met another woman who's an intuitive artist. She happens to be coming on my team as an ambassador. I failed to mention once I got invited to be a keynote speaker, I. Invited [00:10:00] people that I knew in the community to help co-create this program.

So I could have been like, yay, I'm keynote speaker, go to Africa. But I felt a need to connect with the awesome community that I know. So I have a team of eight ambassadors. We're traveling to South Africa. We have indigenous First Nation women, and then I have a couple of Kenyan guys who are on my team.

And so it's been, like I said, I'm stepping up into this big role and holding this huge space that I've never held before. and that confidence has come from the simple little steps of connecting and doing the hard work each day. Making myself, like you said, do little mile walk. Oh my goodness. So yes.

Without a long, drawn out story, I met Kim Pool, who's founded this organization called Teaching Artist Institute in 2015, and has held conferences across Africa like Uganda, [00:11:00] Tanzania, Gambia. Connecting international people with local artists. And we're gonna be doing some local projects there. I just met with the other presenters yesterday.

So many awesome things. We're gonna be connecting with ladies that have, are survivors of domestic violence with youth.

[00:11:17] Amanda Aminata Sol: Oh, Jennifer? . I wanna pop in here. No problem. There's so much. Okay. So you had that synchronistic moment where this woman's la. Oh my gosh. Will you be our keynote?

and and you said yes. And that you were gonna be the ambassador from Turtle Island Yes. To make this historic connection Yes. With indigenous people. And and you have all that water on your body today. Yeah. . Yes. So you gonna be crossing the oceans. Yes. So I guess I just wonder. I don't know.

Something about saying yes, Jennifer. Like it takes confidence to say

[00:11:53] Jennifer Folayan: yes. Yes. What I found, and it was funny on [00:12:00] my timeline, how memories pop up. And so a few years ago I had ran an initiative to sponsor 50 chemo care packages. I was working at Johns Hopkins at the time, and it cost about 20 bucks for each care package.

And so I made a commitment. I said, I will raise 50 chemo care packages. Wasn't sure how I was gonna do it. And I was rewatching this video where I talk about I had only maybe raised enough for 25 bags by that weekend, and I talk about. How your word activates something. Taking action activates something.

So I did meet my goal of the 50 chemo care packages, and I was just reflecting because now I'm very close to my goal of sponsoring my team. However it was like a tremendous thing, like raising 40 to $60,000. I think I've raised. About 25 or something. We have about 10,000 more to go. So it's like when you're swimming in the ocean, [00:13:00] you've come so far, but you're not there yet and then you're looking over there oh man, I'm so tired.

But you look at the starting point there's no way you're gonna go back to the starting point. So my friend said just gotta keep swimming . I was like, ok. Not really sure how this is all gonna play out, but something about giving your word activating. Having the intention and then aligning your emotions with that.

And the good way to align your emotions is do this little one mile walk, listen to some good music, find something to laugh about, to keep in that like flow and all those Harry Fairy ideas. But I've been playing around with them. I was like, oh, this actually works. That law of attraction thing. Check, align your emotions check.

Okay. So it's like making a game of it and just having.

[00:13:46] Amanda Aminata Sol: Jennifer okay. I think we have a link if you wanna be a part of this journey from Turtle Island to South Africa. There's a link where you can give any amount that works for you. And I just encourage [00:14:00] you to give from the feeling of flow.

 Not from obligation, just from flow, whatever flows through you. Can you put it in the chat, Jennifer, for folks? Yes. Thank you. And there's something about your story, Jennifer I'll elaborate it on why you get the, get it in the chat. What I hear from your story was you got this incredible invitation.

You had the courage to say yes, and then you took it even further and you were like I'm gonna bring a team of people and I'm gonna raise 40 to $60,000 so that the team can afford to. Yeah. Okay. And here you are, you're somewhere on the journey, somewhere around 25 to whatever number it is that you are.

And and you're just gonna

[00:14:41] Jennifer Folayan: keep swimming? Yeah. I think I have about another 9,800 to go. So I've been like sending money over, we got the plane tickets and I told the organizer, I was like, I promise I've given my word. I know it's coming. . It's and just like having that balance is not freaking out cause there is no [00:15:00] other option.

Yeah. It's don't freak out. Yeah. We're doing this.

[00:15:05] Amanda Aminata Sol: So then I wanna get to what you were saying about, so getting yourself together. , so when you do take on something really good that you wanna do, big, of challenging, getting yourself together so you're an alignment with that thing.

Yes. And you have some joy with it rather than oppression from the big thing that you said you would do. I'm just picking it up. I'm just picking up what you're laying down. No problem. . Yeah. And I just love that, holding it with some lightness, sharing it with people, letting them encourage you, that's just really beautiful.

I just wanna say to you Not just keep swimming, but just keep allowing that to come in.

[00:15:44] Jennifer Folayan: Keep, yeah. It's funny you mention water because that's gonna be. A big thing in my keynote and I've been trying to shape that up. Jamie, who, who's also she was my buddy in racial justice from the Heart.

She's another one of [00:16:00] my ambassadors, . She's helping me direct and shape. Because I want the keynote to be an immersive experience, not hi, I'm giving a speech. So we're gonna have dance and music and honoring, and then rain will tell the origin of what Turtle Island is. And for those that don't know often our indigenous community refers to where we're from as Turtle Island because in many of our creation stories.

The earth was formed on the back of a turtle. And also when you look at the Americas like Canada, north American part of Mexico, it looks like a turtle. So there's different variations of the origin of the turtle story, but one is there was a need to have this dirt from deepened the sea to be able to create the earth on the back of the turtle.

None of the other animals were able to retrieve that. Piece of soil. But the muskrat was very determined. And although the other [00:17:00] animals would make fun of the muskrat, he was very determined. He went deep into the sea. He got the little bunch of oil, earth, and he brought it to the turtle, but, in that effort, he lost his life.

So he sacrificed his life to bring this last element to create the earth. And so we're gonna tell that story and have people consider our uniqueness and what we have to offer. And I just wanna say, cuz I know there's a lot of people on the call, even though I'm happy and confident, and it may look easy, it comes from knowing.

Like all the stuff of where we come from, and especially as we're considering Native American Heritage Month, oftentimes it's the balance of how do we heal ourselves, how do we go forward? And as I'm unpacking my own little traumas and then seeing how it's connected to generational trauma and all the horrible things [00:18:00] that are going on with finding our children and the grave sites and.

Just different things, as especially African indigenous people, we often are thinking a lot about this. How do you take that atrocities and that heaviness and yet still within yourself be light and joyful and abundant and happy. So that's been a journey for me to be at this point. So I want to share that with others, going over there.

[00:18:29] Amanda Aminata Sol: Yeah. And

[00:18:31] Jennifer Folayan: Jennifer, I know something that you shared publicly and I shared publicly

[00:18:36] Amanda Aminata Sol: maybe to a lesser extent than you . But you've talked about growing up in foster care or spending, the, your, your last year's childhood and foster care and family trauma. You shared those details with people and.

And I also grew up in foster care, and so I just wanna say out loud to anybody who grew up in a very difficult family circumstance, [00:19:00] yeah, you obviously you're not alone, and yeah, and Jennifer Jennifer's work of, what is it called? Jennifer bought the butterfly, spreading or

[00:19:10] Jennifer Folayan: something.

Spread your wings, the courage to fly.

[00:19:13] Amanda Aminata Sol: Yeah. That's like a program you have to help people go through their personal journey,

[00:19:18] Jennifer Folayan: it's a personal journey and it's also connected to everything. So for example, in the first stage where you're, you have the the birth of the seed, you also have the roots.

So in that first day workshop, we explore our ancestors, our roots, where we've come from, and at the same time the innocence. And then we work through that cycle. Yeah.

[00:19:45] Amanda Aminata Sol: Can you pause there for a moment, Jennifer, because right in that what you just said is a paradox. , you work from the innocence, the newness, and the historical, the ancestors, the roots.

Yeah. I just wanna say that [00:20:00] out loud because sometimes I feel like we want things to be one way or the other. Yeah. Or somehow, you know what I'm talking about. But truth is often exactly that. Paradoxical. Yeah. Okay girl. Go for it. What else you wanna say about it?

[00:20:16] Jennifer Folayan: Yeah, and. In this co-creation. So that first day we're gonna have some different workshops.

So my one Ambassador Rea, she's registered a tribal member of the Lumbee from North Carolina. She's traveling with me and she'll be offering a ribbon skirt workshop. And in the ribbon skirt workshop, she'll talk. How our clothing, how we adorn ourselves, some of the historical exchanges of ribbons and clothing from different settlers.

How that, how we as indigenous people incorporated it into our clothing. Ribbon skirts are very [00:21:00] sacred. We often wear them to ceremony. There's different meanings behind the ribbon skirts. So I'm really excited. Like in that aspect yay, Ruben, a great workshop, and one of the people we met in South Africa that's gonna be part of the keynote speakers she's on the call and she's a survivor of domestic violence.

And she was talking about how she just recently lost her tooth and the pain and all this kind of stuff. And then, Particular African tribe she wasn't allowed to remove the tooth at the time that the trauma happened. So anyway, she's part of this group of women who are survivors and Rea and her started to talk.

And so that group of women were gonna work specifically with them. Making beautiful ribbon skirts, telling our stories. Oftentimes on the ribbon skirts we put applicate. We maybe put elements or animals or different things that we're feeling. So it's similar to like the African American quilting [00:22:00] traditions and Hawaiian quilting traditions that handycrafts and women's work were oftentimes a time for bringing the women together.

And telling secret messages and stories within our clothing. So I'm really excited about working with other survivors.

[00:22:17] Amanda Aminata Sol: Yeah. Working with other survivors. Yeah. Yeah.

Let's take a breath.

Go. LA Day. Woohoo. La day.

[00:22:30] Jennifer Folayan: La . Yeah. I'm looking at Mary Lynn's little profile picture. Her little doggy . I was like, that's a cute little doggie.

[00:22:44] Amanda Aminata Sol: Oh,

[00:22:45] Jennifer Folayan: there's

Yeah. Knocked out. But yeah. As I was saying, when you mentioned foster care, and again, as I've [00:23:00] unpacked I'm a survivor of rape and incest and I graduated from foster care. As far back as I remember it was four, I was four years old. So I've always had that memory of some abuse happening, and it wasn't just my father, but eight other people in the neighborhood.

And if anybody's experienced that trauma, I just wanna let you know you are seen, you are heard, you're not alone. And to take care of yourself in this moment. , and I want you to know that I'm okay. I've worked through a lot of things to not be sad for me per se, , but I just wanted to share that with you and, just, and then I think the hardest part was I I lived in foster care from age 14 to 18, so it became very good at.

Conditional love. So if you get good grades or you please the parents and you get the little check marks and the The praise you were good, but it was difficult because I wasn't allowed to really [00:24:00] express myself, like my indigenous culture. I lived with a white retired military family, so very loving people.

They did, all the right things. My first family treated me like a dishwasher, but , the second family was a lot better. But it was very structured. So as an adult without having a structure or navigating how to make decisions, like buying a car, how to manage my student loans then I was married.

I found it very difficult because of, I. Was like always asking permission to do stuff. So I feel happier now that I've worked through all the like codependent and depression anxiety. And I don't mean to make light of it, but it was. I feel a lot lighter now and for whatever stage that people may be on their journey of untangling that again, I just wanna say you're not alone.

Oftentimes I've felt so alone and it's even Monday. Not this [00:25:00] Monday. Last Monday I was. Having anxiety about the trip oh my goodness, who did? I think I was like, , organizing all these ambassadors. My whole team's . Will I bring the money in? How are we gonna get supplies? So all those worries and doubts I had to cry it out, have my little anxiety kind of thing, but then get right back up.

And There's tools that we can learn along the way to do that. Yes.

[00:25:27] Amanda Aminata Sol: Thank you for for just letting us know, saying everything that you just said out loud, Jennifer. I appreciate it. I appreciate you saying that. People don't have to feel sorry for you or worry about you. I, cause I heard you say I'm perfect.

Yeah. , I You did

[00:25:48] Jennifer Folayan: so I'm I Once you're perfect. You're perfect.

[00:25:51] Amanda Aminata Sol: Exactly. You can all be perfect. Doesn't have to in one of us. I know. And. I wanna cuz we only have a couple more minutes, I [00:26:00] wanna lift up something cuz just for what you're talking about, a family and your personal family, history and then of course the history of native peoples, of Pueblo, of your mama's people, like you said, right?

Some of us walking with these heritages of a lot of trauma. Probably many of us meaning, on this call, right? So I was talking to this tree yesterday, or two days ago. Beautiful very green evergreen of some sort. Wasn't white pine and everything else is drying because we're in fall in the Northeast.

But this one was so green and looked a little young, and so I said to her, wow, how can I be like you so green? And she said she said, I don't hold the past. I said, yeah, but what about your roots? And she said, oh, that's how I give it to the earth to hold for me. So I've [00:27:00] just been like meditating on that, Jennifer.

Wow. Yeah. Letting the earth hold more for us.

[00:27:06] Jennifer Folayan: One thing I've really enjoyed I'm marketing, I'm a marketing coordinator at a Jewish organization where, like a retreat center with an organic farm. So I've been really participating in a lot of the different Jewish things happening over here.

One thing I really love is that they have a holiday called Tobi Spot, which is the birthday of the trees and they really honor trees and the traditions. And there's some sort of saying, and I'm sorry, I'm not like a Bible old Testament person, but there's something in the Old Testament that says, , you never harm a tree.

Like even at times of war, when you go into a place, you always protect the trees. And I've been exploring that as I've looking at the trees. I've been drawing more trees and doing more artwork and exploring this whole theme of our roots. And even some trees, like they can grow on a split of a rock.[00:28:00]

It's like, how is that little tree in. Like

[00:28:03] Amanda Aminata Sol: a crack of

[00:28:04] Jennifer Folayan: a rock or a concrete , it's still I'm gonna grow. I'm beautiful . So it's really powerful. And I've, there's some books like Braiding Sweetgrass, which is an indigenous book I recommend some other books. Of how trees communicate with each other.

There's actually science behind all this. So I was really fascinated with braiding sweet grass to learn how the trees communicate underground and let each other know if there's a virus on one of the trees and all sorts of fun stuff. .

[00:28:36] Amanda Aminata Sol: Wow. So we are exactly at one o'. By my computer time. I guess I wanna have us close.

First of all, I wanna say thank you, Jennifer. Thank you.

[00:28:48] Jennifer Folayan: Thank you.

[00:28:49] Amanda Aminata Sol: Thank you for showing up on planet Earth

to carry this message, to swim these waters. [00:29:00] Just keep swimming

Oh my God. And I wanna say to everybody who came today Jennifer, as I've said, is an amazing visual artist. And be on the lookout for collaboration with Jennifer, between Jennifer and me and my daughter, and who knows who. Because she's an amazing artist. Jennifer, do you wanna give people a way to stay in touch with you?

We can link in the chat for if you wanna contribute, but also a website or something.

[00:29:34] Jennifer Folayan: Yes. I'm always on Facebook, so if you're on Facebook, you can friend me, send me a message. I can leave my email for people in the chat. Okay. And I'll be posting all sorts of updates and stuff throughout the trip.

[00:29:47] Amanda Aminata Sol: Good. So tell us your name on Facebook.

[00:29:50] Jennifer Folayan: Make sure that my name on Facebook's Jennifer Lan. I also post things on my YouTube channel. So it's all underneath my name. I've been holding [00:30:00] different conversations from Turtle Island. So if you go to YouTube, you can see some of the previous ones that I held where we have like little discussions and stuff,


[00:30:10] Amanda Aminata Sol: right. So if you wanna stay in touch with Jennifer, there's a way to stay in touch. So I, I'm going to officially close. Complete this. So we have that group completion, and then we'll just have a little bit of an after party. Let's just take a breath.

I invite you to send your tendrils your roots out into the earth. To trees, to

[00:30:34] Jennifer Folayan: flowers, to

[00:30:37] Amanda Aminata Sol: bumblebees, whatever it is that you want us, send them out to water.

Just say, take a moment to say thank you

that you're living in this web of creation.

So it [00:31:00] is. Thank you, . Thank you everybody. Woo. Woo.

na woo.

[00:31:13] Jennifer Folayan: Don't make us walk another mile. No, I'm just kidding.


[00:31:18] Amanda Aminata Sol: when did you leave Jennifer?

[00:31:21] Jennifer Folayan: I leave on Wednesday.

[00:31:22] Amanda Aminata Sol:  Oh my gosh. It be just,

[00:31:26] Jennifer Folayan: I haven't packed like Yeah, I'm gonna try not to freak out. . I gotta go get my PCR covid test today. Yeah. Excellent.

[00:31:34] Amanda Aminata Sol: Excellent.




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